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« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2010, 09:00:41 AM »

Ok. So your point is that it is like learning to paint a still life in art class before trying your hand at something like cubism? Which in the realm of writing, is more like beginning with general fiction?

Yes, or that one must recognize that painting a still life is a part of painting cubism.
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2010, 09:07:06 AM »

Yes, or that one must recognize that painting a still life is a part of painting cubism.

Ok, I'd agree with that. Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2010, 09:53:04 AM »

My man, James. I'm glad to hear that someone agree even somewhat. That's what I'm getting at is that if I were to "sample, steal etc", then I would at least stick to flash.

When I do read other's flash it doesn't register in my brain that, that is something I could use because it is just not me. And even if I tried I would fail because I just want to be myself as in real life. I'm an anti-conformist, and I refuse to follow the bandwagon. (cliched to hell) I don't care what other's think and I believe this is the way to live in writing and real life.

My editor believes I'm on another level and of course some won't see that but that doesn't bother me anymore as I've gotten rejected and yelled at over and over to the point where I'm just numb.
My editor is no bull shit he will speak his mind and completely crush me. haha.

I understand that Javert, Locke, or anyone else here might feel differently and I respect that. The numbness from being crushed to shit or rejected by editors over and over has allowed me to understand this.

I'm not trying to be arrogant here (at least I'd like to think not) I'm just sharing my experience and the way I see things.
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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2010, 10:23:17 AM »

For instance a guy believes that the TSA are violating the rights of travelers (Which they are) I list the actions for what is being violated, (full body scanner, fingerprint taking, patting down etc.) Then when it is the MCs turn he takes out a pistol and kills the TSA agents and runs to a terminal while shooting at cops. When he gets to the terminal, the pilot knows him and they take off, after a short dialogue, the pilot makes a U-turn and crashes into the airport.

Funny, because for whatever its worth (another one of those wretched clichés!), your description of the story shows a lot of the classical elements of story telling (from Aristotle’s Poetics). You have, most importantly, Anagnorisis - the pilot making a critical decision or self discovery (and even more importantly - through a dialogue!) and of course Catharsis -  the plane crashing into the airport.

Now, I’m not suggesting you studied and applied this knowledge to your story. But I think that is kind of the point. The way people tell stories (everywhere) follows a pattern outside of us even realizing what we’re doing. But we are also constantly exposed to story telling - through songs, through television, through reading, even through conversation. And unless you’re living in a complete vacuum (and I doubt that is true Wink), you are inevitably influenced by others and their stories.

As for being anti-conformist, you have my full support there! Cool
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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2010, 11:04:08 AM »

That maybe true, that there are classical elements to story telling, how else would I even begin a story? but I'm not going to go and figure out these patterns myself by reading any of those guys rather I'll just focus on my writing and whatever it is, is it.

I also said that I'm certain that those topics haven't been written before in flash. Maybe in a different way though. 

I know there are basic techniques out there that I am using, I'm saying that I don't want to look for advanced techniques from King or Clancy.

Living in a vaccum would suck. Which I use to do.  Sad

You are correct there are a lot of influences out there. I try and choose what influences me but not from reading for advanced techniques from King or Clancy.

I don't watch tv or movies anymore. But I do listen to a lot of music. And I allow that to influence me because I choose to.

Although it is impossible to be uninfluenced by external and internal stimuli, I still try to brainwash myself as much as possible.
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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2010, 11:40:42 AM »

First let me say that I wasn’t trying to diminish the value of your story by suggesting it conforms to some very basic elements of story telling (because I don’t think it does diminish it). I also wasn’t suggesting that you go and read Aristotle, or that you go and study narratology, or (shudder) that you pick up a Stephen King.
I just wanted to point out that we are all influenced by everything around us, and that reading something does not simply equate to adopting it. In fact it can also have the opposite effect.

For myself, as an example, I spent a good three or four years avoiding fiction. And even though I knew I wanted to be a writer (in fact, because of it) I flat out refused to study English or journalism. I wanted my voice to be my own and, similar to what you are saying here, I didn’t want to end up having a regurgitated literary voice. Now, I can’t say if it worked, but I am happy with my own writer’s voice. And now I have no problem delving into fiction because I know that I can only learn from it, without the fear that it will destroy my voice. Most importantly, I enjoy it.

Now, clearly, I’m not saying you should do the same. So just to repeat what everyone has agreed with: it is not the same for everyone, and reading does not equate to plagiarizing.

That said, I still avoid “Writing Manuals” like the plague.
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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2010, 11:56:12 AM »

I definitely avoid manuals and also classes. I haven't witnessed the opposite effect to reading and I don't want to know haha. I'm happy your happy with your voice and I'm happy that I'm happy with my voice we both win! Grin

I know there aren't alot of members yet but I think more members should voice their opinions or experience in the writing field. I'm glad to hear your opinions/experience, James.  Tongue

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